Thanks for that advice, Skip. I have three younger brothers. I'll see if they will still do what I tell them to do. Meanwhile, Carliane has a spinnaker but it is tangled and all smothered up in a sock. Maybe next time you are up this way we can persuade her to try that in low wind on Kynntana. It is one thing to try on a 27 foot boat, maybe a bit more daring on a Freedom 38?