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    Default LongPac NOR, SI, MEL discussion


    The NOR is UP!


    Keep current with the latest LongPac announcements on the LongPac page


    http://sfbaysss.org/main/longpac-2015/

    Got my raft reserved; how about you?

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    Just reserved my raft! thank you!

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    Minimum Equipment Requirements are UP!

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    Thank you, Bob.

    Having just read this very closely and comparing it to past LongPac requirements I too share many of the same concerns as Bob. Many of these require me to change or repurchase certain products (such as my mainsail that I just ordered with a 2nd deep reef in lieu of the trisail). To some degree I expected a few changes but I look forward to a fruitful discussion that can address all of the issues Bob has pointed out.

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    Agree with Bob's comments in general, but especially these two:

    Quote Originally Posted by BobJ View Post
    11) 3.33.2 We've always allowed a third (or second deep) reef in lieu of a trys'l. A trys'l is not practical on many smaller boats.
    14) 4.1.1 You just lost a bunch of entries with this one. E-steering is a SHTP requirement. Besides, an e-RUDDER is just one way of doing it.
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    I have a deep second and a drogue for an emergency rudder. I really hope this is sufficient as I doubt I will get a true emergency rudder built just for one race.

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    Not to seem overly critical or unappreciative of the work of those running the LongPac, but...

    The 2015 LongPac MER's look like a fairly superficial adaptation of the US Sailing Safety at Sea requirements. I think more thought should have gone into the modifications to the source requirements to meet the specific needs and goals of the SSS. I agree with most of BobJ's comments and some of the following duplicates his commentary. But here are my own thoughts on the matter:

    2.3.3 Are stoves really necessary?
    2.5.1 "...pump discharge shall not be connected to cockpit drain." What does this do to all the Moore 24's, Express 27's etc. that are constructed with the pump discharge into the cockpit drains?
    2.5.2 Many, if not most, of the small boats do not have a second permanently installed bilge pump. My recollection is that in the past, a second, portable pump was adequate.
    2.5.3 Completely redundant.
    3.10 I really hate requirements for cell phones on boats. They are useless off shore (and sometimes in the bay) and are not an effective means of communicating in an emergency. The VHF and EPIRB should be adequate.
    3.15 BobJ, you have to push it yourself before you fall overboard.
    3.20 Are the self-printable NOAA booklet charts adequate? (They have been in the past.)
    3.24 What constitutes a "searchlight?" How many lumens? At what point does a flash light become bright enough to serve as a search light? Will a search light powered by the vessel's 12v system be acceptable?
    3.28 Definitely for crewed boats. And kind of silly even for DH'd boats. This kind of thing seems most useful for boats with large numbers of crew where some of the crew may be unfamiliar with the boat.
    3.33.1 & 3.33.2 These seem like big changes from past requirements for mainsail area reduction capabilities.
    3.33.3 & 3.33.4 These seem redundant. Would the storm jib (3.33.4) meet the requirement of the heavy weather jib (3.33.3)?
    3.38 Stating "adequate food" should be enough. Explicitly listing "energy bars, and snacks" seems like a menu requirement. (Although, I suppose you could get some "snack bars" and satisfy both.)
    4.1.1 As noted by others, this will likely eliminate more participants than any other rule in the MER's.
    4.2 BobJ, you need to start practicing your SH'd MOB drills. NO excuses!


    I hope the Safety/Rules committee will convene as BobJ mentioned and review things.
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    The 2015 LongPac MER's look like the fairly superficial adaptation of the US Sailing Safety at Sea requirements.
    This is new. The SSS has always made our own rules and the LongPac and SHTP have gone through many years of thoughtful modifications.

    Copy/Paste of other safety orgs regs with a few mods aren't a good idea for the organization and don't cut it in my book.

    The posted MELs are a complete mess compared to the SSS's long standing Longpac rules as noted with many redundant and rules that have never been used by the SSS.

    What happened to the separate SSS Safety Committee who reviews and makes rule changes..... they obviously didn't make these rules.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BobJ View Post
    I found out the main problem tonight. The new board doesn't know that the SSS has a standing Safety/Rules Committee. It was last convened to review the proposed changes to the rules for the 2014 SH TransPac. It needs to reconvene to review the proposed changes to the rules for the 2015 LongPac. That's how the organization works.

    Bob, The above statement is false.

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    I'm informed that at least three board members do know about the committee, and also that Chris Christie may be available shortly to chair it.
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