Carrying Asym and Sym kites

[brianb]

The PHRF rules state:

E. ASYMMETRIC SPINNAKERS (INCLUDES CRUISING SPINNAKERS AND GENNAKERS)
Any increase in area over a standard asymmetrical spinnaker will be dealt with on a boat for boat basis, but in general
will follow the same assessments for symmetric spinnaker area and pole length adjustments. Any ability to move the
tack off centerline will likely receive a penalty of -3 sec/mi due to increased ability to effectively sail a deeper point of
sail.
F. ISP greater than I will be dealt with on a boat by boat basis.
G. CARRYING BOTH SYMMETRIC AND ASYMMETRIC SPINNAKERS AT THE SAME TIME
There is no penalty for carrying both a symmetric and asymmetric spinnaker at the same time. Boats typically
rigged with a spinnaker pole that opt to tack their spinnaker on the centerline may receive a credit. Boats
typically rigged with a fixed sprit that opt to to tack their spinnaker on a moveable pole will be reviewed on a boat
by boat basis and will receive a penalty.

I have a boat that is typically rigged with a spin pole and am hoping to carry a asym reacher, and will articulate it on the standard pole. This case is not explicitly called out. Anyone have direct experience with PHRF regarding this ?

Brian

[Daydreamer]

I do not have direct experience, but I believe "E" answers your questions.

You can carry both types, sized appropriately. Check YRA's rules for proper sizing. http://www.yra.org/PHRF/docs/ncphrf_...guidelines.pdf

You will get a penalty for being able to articulate the tack with the pole.

My boat has had quite a few modifications and had to be re-evaluated when I went to renew the certificate after purchase.
Laura, at YRA, was helpful answering questions and getting my certificate together.

[dhusselman]

The PHRF rules state:

E. ASYMMETRIC SPINNAKERS (INCLUDES CRUISING SPINNAKERS AND GENNAKERS)
Any increase in area over a standard asymmetrical spinnaker will be dealt with on a boat for boat basis, but in general
will follow the same assessments for symmetric spinnaker area and pole length adjustments. Any ability to move the
tack off centerline will likely receive a penalty of -3 sec/mi due to increased ability to effectively sail a deeper point of
sail.
F. ISP greater than I will be dealt with on a boat by boat basis.
G. CARRYING BOTH SYMMETRIC AND ASYMMETRIC SPINNAKERS AT THE SAME TIME
There is no penalty for carrying both a symmetric and asymmetric spinnaker at the same time. Boats typically
rigged with a spinnaker pole that opt to tack their spinnaker on the centerline may receive a credit. Boats
typically rigged with a fixed sprit that opt to to tack their spinnaker on a moveable pole will be reviewed on a boat
by boat basis and will receive a penalty.

I have a boat that is typically rigged with a spin pole and am hoping to carry a asym reacher, and will articulate it on the standard pole. This case is not explicitly called out. Anyone have direct experience with PHRF regarding this ?

Brian

Brian,

You can use Asymmetrical spinnakers if they are not larger in size than your largest [measured] symmetrical spinnaker.
I moved to smaller asymmetrical spinnakers and fly them on a pole. The penalty for the pole was offset with the smaller size spinnakers.

If your boat is designed for flying asymmetrical spinnakers on a sprit (J-boats) it needs to be reviewed by the PHRF committee. Bob should be able to tell you his experience as he used a pole for the Pac cup.

Dirk "TIJD" First 30JK

[brianb]

Brian,

You can use Asymmetrical spinnakers if they are not larger in size than your largest [measured] symmetrical spinnaker.
I moved to smaller asymmetrical spinnakers and fly them on a pole. The penalty for the pole was offset with the smaller size spinnakers.

If your boat is designed for flying asymmetrical spinnakers on a sprit (J-boats) it needs to be reviewed by the PHRF committee. Bob should be able to tell you his experience as he used a pole for the Pac cup.

Dirk "TIJD" First 30JK

THanks Dirk,
I suspected that was the answer. I will have a new cert soon and shall see.

Brian

[svShearwater]

Have looked into this a fair bit with the NorCal PHRF. Since your boat is already rated for an articulating pole, as long as your new asym is not larger than the symmetric you are rated for, your rating shouldn't change. An example, the Erkelen's Wolfpack. They carry only asymmetrics that they fly off the spin pole with no change to the rating.

[Ian Rogers]

We ran both on the Moore 24 this summer worked great A5 was 85% of the class kite so no penalty, A2.5 was 1 SQFT smaller than the class kite. We had the A2.5 made this way so that we would not take a rating hit. Both were run off a pole set about 20 inches off the deck, with a tack like built in the the headstay fitting.

Ian
Moore 24 Mas!

[brianb]

We ran both on the Moore 24 this summer worked great A5 was 85% of the class kite so no penalty, A2.5 was 1 SQFT smaller than the class kite. We had the A2.5 made this way so that we would not take a rating hit. Both were run off a pole set about 20 inches off the deck, with a tack like built in the the headstay fitting.

Ian
Moore 24 Mas!

Hello Ian,
Can I assume that "worked great" means you found it to be faster than your sym kites ? Was there additional stability over a same sized kite that was sym ?

Thanks,
Brian