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    Quote Originally Posted by BobJ View Post
    I know that was the decision for this season but as of February, OYRA had voted to ban HMPE lifelines starting next season. I've sent Andy an e-mail to clarify.
    That was Andy's report in the later NCORC meeting which was not adopted.
    OYRA follows NCORC per SI and YRA http://yra.org/yra-racing/ocean-safety/
    Andy authored the subsequent NCORC list- link above :-) and again http://norcalorc.org/gear
    Check with Redsky too...

    And of course check the NOR SI which is the reference document
    https://www.jibeset.net/show.php?RR=...DOC=nr&TYP=pdf
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    Not to fuss but where does it state the HMPE allowance is permanent? There is ongoing pressure to conform to the USSER, plus we're not going to change out our lifelines every race based on which OA is running it. I'll report back with what Andy says.

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    Well, bottom line is the SSS race committee is the authority. I would like to offer a gesture of appreciation to those hard working members of the race committee and send you all a gift less than the amount $ of replacing my lifelines with wire
    Have a nice day!

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    This board, this year. Lifelines are too big a project to keep changing back and forth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by K38Bob View Post
    PS as a/the key instigator (thorn in side, pebble in shoe) of this preface- Can't believe I didn't mention it. USS nor NCORC is a regulatory body/authority. The organizing authority (OA) for the race is the authority- see NOR SI for requirements that are linked to USCG Marine Event Permit (MEP)
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    http://norcalorc.org/gear
    Here's a handy list on SAS. Scroll down http://yra.org/yra-racing/safety-at-sea-courses/
    Which training do I need?

    Each race organizer selects the level of training required for their races

    The BAMA Double Handed Farallones race (3/18/17) recommends SAS training which may apply to their own training requirement for all crew defined in Notice of Race. Skipper meeting offered.

    The IYC Double Handed Lightship race (4/8/17) requires that the skipper have at least a Coastal SAS certificate.
    OYRA (9 race series, first race 4/22/17) requires that the skipper and 30% of the crew have at least a Coastal SAS certificate.

    SSS (first offshore race 5/20/17) requires that the skipper have at least a Coastal SAS certificate.

    The SFYC/MPYC Spinnaker Cup (5/26/17) requires that the skipper and 30% of the crew have at least an Offshore SAS certificate.

    The EYC Coastal Cup (5/29/17) requires that the skipper and 30% of the crew have at least an Offshore SAS certificate.

    The SoCal 300 required in 2016 that the skipper and 30% of the crew have at least a Coastal SAS certificate. Please refer to NOR for 2017.

    Transpac 2017 (first start 7/3/17) requires that the skipper and 30% of the crew have at least an Offshore SAS certificate, Offshore with Hands-on is recommended for 2017 and will be required in 2019.

    Pac Cup 2018 will require that the skipper and 30% of the crew have an Offshore with Hands-on certificate for 2018.

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    Great information and discussion. Thanks! I'll be running dyneema through some nylon bushings inserted into the stanchion holes to help with the chafing. The major benefit that I see with dyneema is the ability to easily make repairs at sea. The ability to do-it-myself (assuming that I do it properly) is a plus as well. I don't think I'll miss the gates. The bigger pain in my ass is actually having to add a stanchion just ahead of the shrouds to meet the 78" requirement. There's no ambiguity in that rule so I just have to suck it up and do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobJ View Post
    I know that was the decision for this season but as of February, OYRA had voted to ban HMPE lifelines starting next season. I've sent Andy an e-mail to clarify.
    Andy's reply (today)

    "The decision was for the 2017 season. We did not commit either way after that. World Sailing and US Sailing both ban HMPE."

    So like I wrote originally, if you switch to HMPE lifelines (and plan to do any of the local ocean races), don't toss your old wire ones.

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    Unless they're vinyl coated.

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    So like I wrote originally, if you switch to HMPE lifelines (and plan to do any of the local ocean races), don't toss your old wire ones.
    Does this apply to the SHTP 2018? ...or is it too soon to say?

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    See 4.07.1:

    http://sfbaysss.org/resource/shtp201...nal_111315.pdf

    I may live to eat my words, but the SHTP rules have tended to be more stable than the local rules.

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