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    Default looking to form partnership in daysailer

    I would like to form a partnership with at least one other person, hopefully two, to buy and operate this boat. There's a Piper 24 One Design sailboat for sale in Nevada City. How it got to Nevada City is beyond me but here's the advertisement.

    https://goldcountry.craigslist.org/b...587943341.html

    The guy who owns it say that he thinks the boat hasn't been in the water for at least a decade and maybe not for 30+ years. He *thinks* that the boat was brought over to the USA from Scotland in the very early 70's with the intent of taking a mold off of it and producing them stateside. That never happened. Obviously it was in the water at some point but the current owner has never launched it and he says the previous owner never did either. The hull is extremely dry. I have pictures of the inside of the boat but there's not a lot to see. It's wide open. Think: Shields ... except that this boat is 24 feet long and 3600 pounds instead of 30 feet and 4600 pounds.

    What's a Piper One Design?

    http://www.piper-od.co.uk/

    It's a 24-foot fiberglass mix between a six-metre racing boat and the wooden Gareloch One Design..the "Gareloch Goddesses". The majority of them race on the firth of the Clyde in Scotland, but a few made it to Bermuda of all places. A dozen have moved south into England and there are seven in North America. Cornish Crabber made one around 2008 and it's in France. With a modernized rig and revamped interior, the Piper One Design is the basis for a "new" and "modernized" version called the Rustler 24.

    Here's an article by noted designer, Bob Perry about an attempt to build more boats, by the firm "Cornish Crabber" - http://sailingmagazine.net/article-300-piper-24.html

    Here's a Rustler 24, essentially the same boat.





    And here's an article about a completely restored Piper OD in Texas.

    https://www.coastmonthly.com/2017/09/piper/

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    Here's some video and a few photographs of the boat that Cornish Crabber built. It's sailing in France.

    http://associationtrident.e-monsite....dominique.html

    As you can see, this is a daysailing boat...no cabin, though I suppose a boom tent could be rigged up and one or two folks could camp out on the floors. I would want to install buoyancy bags in the boat, fore-and-aft.

    The owner says he replaced the trailer tires a few years ago but the wheel bearings *might* need a rebuild. Most of the trailer is sound, there's one spot that might need some repair. We'd have to go up there with a wire wheel and find out. The mast is the original gold-anodized spar that the guys in Scotland all want, they say it's faster than the newer aluminum replacements. The rudder needs a complete rebuild and one bronze part...a gudgeon is missing. All of the other "wood bits" are there, they need cleaning, sanding and so on. I'm happy to build a new rudder.

    The boat does not have sails. However, I've looked online and Star Class jibs will fit, they're really pretty darned close to a 100% jib. Also, Melges 24 jibs are remarkably close. Minneys Surplus has a few for $150-$195. Second Wind sails has a used mainsail which will be a bit short on the foot, but will work, for $100. Sail Warehouse has new "OEM" (means super-basic) mainsails that will be awfully darned close for $695. They also have one with the same dimensions for $895, which gets us a reef point, or we could have Leading Edge sails or Synthia put in a reef point.

    We rent a truck and go up to Nevada City. We might have to get part of the trailer welded, we'll have to see when we get there, but there are welders in Nevada City. We bring it down here, and put it at the Treasure Island sailing center and dry-sail it. The TI Sailing Center has a 2-ton hoist, this boat displaces 3600 pounds and the hull is super-dry. It's well under 2 tons. Monthly rent at TI Sailing Center is $130 / month. Insurance would be about $60/month. There's dry storage in Byron for $55 a month, or Morgan Hill for $70 if we can't get the project going immediately.

    You won't want to overnight this boat, but you cannot find a more Classic day-sailer. Racing crew is 3, we could even do some races in it.

    ESTIMATED COST-UP FRONT
    boat purchase $750
    possible trailer repair $100
    truck rental to move $135
    used sails; either $900 high end (used 100% jib and "new" budget mainsail, or $250 low end with a used mainsail)
    running rigging $150

    Divide that by 3, you get $462 if we go with ultra-budget used sails...$678 if we get the new OEM mainsail and a used Star jib. There will also be some $$ for materials to re-do the floorboards, built a new rudder, etc.


    ONGOING COST - MONTHLY if we dry-sail
    TI sailing club monthly dry- berthing $130
    Insurance $60
    PHRF certificate amortized over a year $10

    Divide that by 3 and you get $67/month

    Every year or two we'll probably do an upgrade. I bet the winches are a mess, for example. Over time we can go to town on the boat and upgrade it like crazy, or we can keep it simple. I'm good, either way.

    Anybody interested? She'll be a wet ride on a windy day, but this is a unique opportunity to own the classiest daysailer that's capable of handling SF Bay that I can imagine.

    Alan
    S-2 7.9: "Wildcat of Loch Awe"
    1968 Selmer Series 9 B-flat and A clarinets
    Piper One Design 24, Hull #35; "Alpha"

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    Some more pictures of Piper One Designs.

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    S-2 7.9: "Wildcat of Loch Awe"
    1968 Selmer Series 9 B-flat and A clarinets
    Piper One Design 24, Hull #35; "Alpha"

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    Note the gold-anodized mast.

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    S-2 7.9: "Wildcat of Loch Awe"
    1968 Selmer Series 9 B-flat and A clarinets
    Piper One Design 24, Hull #35; "Alpha"

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    Hull number 52 in the foreground of this picture is the same color as the boat here in California. Pictures 58, 59 and 60..

    https://mcnair.smugmug.com/Boats/Pip...ning/i-7hnQvT2

    Piper OD's in 2003



    Message me if you're interested.
    S-2 7.9: "Wildcat of Loch Awe"
    1968 Selmer Series 9 B-flat and A clarinets
    Piper One Design 24, Hull #35; "Alpha"

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    Piper OD's 2010



    ...and a view of what the water sees.

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    S-2 7.9: "Wildcat of Loch Awe"
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    Piper One Design 24, Hull #35; "Alpha"

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    You are crazy! I want in.

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    Cool! I’m out of town for a few days, will get back to you on Thursday or Friday when I’m off this phone and on a real computer again!
    S-2 7.9: "Wildcat of Loch Awe"
    1968 Selmer Series 9 B-flat and A clarinets
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    Mister Tchoup I need to hear from you!!!
    S-2 7.9: "Wildcat of Loch Awe"
    1968 Selmer Series 9 B-flat and A clarinets
    Piper One Design 24, Hull #35; "Alpha"

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    Offer accepted. WooHoo.

    I'mma two-boat owner. Also, the trailer is shot, apparently, so I'm looking for a dual-axle sailboat trailer, or powerboat trailer I can put uprights on.

    And there's an attached rudder to build. I've been reading up. The boat will live in Nevada City until I've got the moolah to get a trailer put together. Then it'll come down to Morgan Hill for cleaning and rudder building. I may have to 'glass in some structure so it can be launched from a 2-T hoist.

    Should look like this one when it's done:



    I still want a partner in this venture, so if you're interested in 50% or 33% of a truly cool Scottish daysailer, PM me.
    S-2 7.9: "Wildcat of Loch Awe"
    1968 Selmer Series 9 B-flat and A clarinets
    Piper One Design 24, Hull #35; "Alpha"

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    Nice boat, are you going to keep it in dry storage? Santa Cruz would be great.

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