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    It is not easy to respond to your questions. It seems your inspiration came from YouTube. Instead posing your questions to YouTube, the questions are directed at a different group - people with sailing and boat ownership experience.

    A boat purchase is a personal decision. The asking price is not the limit of where the spending will end. The continuing costs are sales tax, maintenance, upkeep, and upgrades. The buyers description of the boat should be approached with skepticism. For example, a seller may say the motor works fine, but the engine may need to be rebuilt or replaced (at a cost of $3-8,000 estimated costs). The same concern would apply to all the sailing equipment and the live aboard equipment. All boats that are well maintained and in excellent condition will serve someone in various ways.

    If you are planning a purchase and don't have the experience to judge the consequences of a particular boat, then a marine survey gives an initial assessment. However, a marine survey will not tell if the motor is bad, the sails and rigging are past their service life or if the electronic equipment is functional and not outdated.

    Based on the above general circumstances, an opinion to choose one boat over another without an inspection would be misleading. Comments are constantly presented comparing boat designs, but they are opinion and generally meaningless.

    A little knowledge helps in boat buying, a lot of knowledge avoids buying someone else's problem or a boat that is not appropriate.

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    "After a time, you may find that having is not so pleasing a thing after all as wanting. It is not logical... but it is often true."

    -- Mr. Spock

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    We are committed 100% to living aboard if we are going to be in the United States at all
    Well your research should have alerted you that live aboard status is very difficult to get in most locations. You can't just pull into a marina, even with empty slips available and expect to get live aboard status. Around here you first need to be a "regular" tenant and then request livaboard status. The wait is usually 1-3 years. Transient slips are available but for a limited time.

    Yes, many have heard of La Vagaboobjob. Would you destroy a perfectly fine set of breasts for more clicks? Strippers and porn stars have similar business models.

    Probably the most popular sailors of this generation?
    Youtube viewers does not make one "popular sailors" except with Youtube viewers. Most sailors think they are they type that ruin sailing. Giant "look at me" logos all over their boat and constantly walking around videoing themselves. Vomit. I hear these types are all over now pimping themselves and their female crew for clickbait.

    Another note is we are a West Coast sailing organization. I would try to hit up forums that are close to the boats that you are looking at as there may be some people who know THOSE particular boats.

    www.cruisersforums.com
    www.sailinganarchy.com is by far the most trafficked website for sailing and has a very active cruisers forum. This site is very gentile in response...... be prepared for some harsh language and the typical newby thrashing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Meatmeepz View Post
    Hi,

    I am not sure if this is the right place to post this or not...

    EDIT: I am not looking for advice on which way is best to learn to sail, or whether or not my plan or decisions are good or not. I'm asking specifically about the two boats mentioned below, and if you have any specific suggestions or knowledge specifically related to these models.

    I am an absolute beginner with sailing, and I've never been on a boat, but I've been researching the crap out of everything for a couple of years now. We are finally about to make our first sailboat purchase, and the boat selection has been whittled down to two possible boats: a Pearson 365, and a Waquiez 32. It is a complicated scenario where we absolutely CAN NOT visit the boats before buying (I am abroad right now), but we will use a surveyor. I'm really confused between these two boats, but am leaning toward the Waquiez. The extra space of the Pearson would be nice though. The Pearson had an exhaust problem that the sellers fixed, but it needs a jib sail, and an A/C compressor. Sounds like it needs a few more things done to it, but not sure, as the pictures and everything else seem pretty great. The Waquiez is in pretty much AMAZING condition, but does not have any A/C of any kind. We plan to pick one of these up, take a few sailing lessons, and then head down to Florida (both boats are in Maryland).

    Here is the WaquiezAttachment 5163

    And here is the Pearson: https://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/83586

    I understand that the Waquiez is a much rarer boat, and that they are of solid design, but I'm wondering how these two boats compare. Our intention is to slowly outfit it while learning to sail, and then take it down to the Caribbean, or Mexico.

    Any and all information would help.

    Thanks very much!
    Welcome to the sport and the forum! The Wauquiez is a better boat, but either will do fine for what you are intending. Try not to be put off by the "pros"! The engine is going to be important while you learn, so make sure you have them checked out if you are not knowledgeable yourself. Good luck!

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    This is the most entertaining thread on the forum in quite some time, no way it should be deleted.

    [edit] He will have so much fun over on Sailing Anarchy.

    [edit edit] Looks like he deleted his post where he called Bob an idiot and the rest of us assholes. Sad.
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    I do not know either of those designs directly, I have raced the Waquiez Pretorien 35 offshore US West coast and it held up.

    There's no information regarding the Waquiez you're looking at in your post, so can't comment on that boat. I'd note that the design is not the "solid" part, it's the construction that matters. Waquiez tended to build good boats, assuming you liked the design. Buying new sails, or at least having the existing inventory examined and rebuilt by a sailmaker would be normal; I wouldn't worry about needing a new jib - the Pearson listing makes no mention of anything as regards useful information to make a decision for a boat you're not intending to keep in the local marina: what's the sail inventory, ground tackle, charging system, electronics, etc. But for $11,000 perhaps all you'd expect is a sound hull and you can add the rest.

    The Pearson 365 at shoal draft should do well in thin water, not so good for upwind work as compared to a deep fin.

    As regards the AC compressor - that's near the bottom of the list of important things that will make a boat go, probably somewhere after "does the freezer work?".

    And I'd comment that Bob, Ants, and Solo have it about right - it reads as though you aren't aware of what you're getting in to with a boat, therefore it's difficult to make an informed decision.

    - rob/beetle

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    I did a google, can you believe that Reid Stowe and 1000 Days at Sea was 10 years ago, in 2010? I feel old.

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    My YouTube feed provided a video a single sailor going to HI from LA in a 23 foot sailboat. A few minutes of watching showed it may not be the best demonstration of seamanship. To counter seasickness, an anti-sea sickness patch was applied. The evening sunset was toasted with whiskey. The boat bumpers were tied on and flopped loosely into the cockpit. Maybe the bumpers were used for cushions, but having extra loose lines and objects when trimming sails would be distracting or dangerous if the loose lines wrapped around winches or cleats. That was enough for me. (A few minutes worth).

    I feel bad for the folks that use this video as an inspiration for their sailing goals.

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    I strongly suspect that this phenomena of "inspiration & learning by googling" is what led to Alan's former H Boat winding up abandoned on the beach in Capitola.


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