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    While it doesn't bother me if someone has electric halyard winches, stuff like an electrical system that powers hydraulics that adjusts a canting keel, and electric sheet winches doesn't sit well with me. For cruising and daysailing? Hey, fine....not so much for racing. I know that any boat with a canting keel bigger than a mini uses powered systems to run it. That's how it's been for 15+ years, now.

    Is more and more automation the "future of sailing"? I'm not qualified to judge. I dunno.

    I do worry a bit about dividing up the SSS races into so many classes that we dilute participation.

    Singlehanded PHRF <100 - spinnaker
    Singlehanded PHRF 101-135 - spinnaker
    Singlehanded PHRF 136- 165 - spinnaker
    Singlehanded PHRF 166+ spinnaker

    Singlehanded PHRF <100 - non-spinnaker
    Singlehanded PHRF 101-135 - non-spinnaker
    Singlehanded PHRF 136-165 - non-spinnaker
    Singlehanded PHRF 166+ non-spinnaker

    Doublehanded PHRF <100 - spinnaker
    Doublehanded PHRF 101-135 - spinnaker
    Doublehanded PHRF 136- 165 - spinnaker
    Doublehanded PHRF 166+ spinnaker

    Doublehanded PHRF <100 - non-spinnaker
    Doublehanded PHRF 101-135 - non-spinnaker
    Doublehanded PHRF 136-165 - non-spinnaker
    Doublehanded PHRF 166+ non-spinnaker

    Sportboat singlehanded
    Sportboat doublehanded

    Multihulls

    Express 27 One Design doublehanded
    J-105 One Design doublehanded .. or SF Bay 30, or whomever..
    Moore 24 One Design doublehanded

    Take 100 boats, divide them into the 22 classes I just listed, which is typical for our races even if I have the PHRF numbers off a bit, and you don't even have 5 boats in a class. Are we going to add the following?

    Singlehanded PHRF <100 - spinnaker Power Assisted
    Singlehanded PHRF 101-135 - spinnaker Power Assisted
    Singlehanded PHRF 136- 165 - spinnaker Power Assisted
    Singlehanded PHRF 166+ spinnaker Power Assisted

    Singlehanded PHRF <100 - non-spinnaker Power Assisted
    Singlehanded PHRF 101-135 - non-spinnaker Power Assisted
    Singlehanded PHRF 136-165 - non-spinnaker Power Assisted
    Singlehanded PHRF 166+ non-spinnaker Power Assisted

    Doublehanded PHRF <100 - spinnaker Power Assisted
    Doublehanded PHRF 101-135 - spinnaker Power Assisted
    Doublehanded PHRF 136- 165 - spinnaker Power Assisted
    Doublehanded PHRF 166+ spinnaker Power Assisted

    Doublehanded PHRF <100 - non-spinnaker Power Assisted
    Doublehanded PHRF 101-135 - non-spinnaker Power Assisted
    Doublehanded PHRF 136-165 - non-spinnaker Power Assisted
    Doublehanded PHRF 166+ non-spinnaker Power Assisted


    I'm not saying that's "the answer" especially since now in some cases the DH boats are sailing different courses from the SH boats, but is that where we are headed?
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    Its not that bad Alan. PHRF bands are arbitrary to control class sizes. I see power assisted just like non-spinnaker... all in one class until the time there is a need to split them because of large numbers. As I said, from what I could see from PHRF data there is only a single boat with electric winches declared.


    Quote Originally Posted by AlanH View Post
    While it doesn't bother me if someone has electric halyard winches, stuff like an electrical system that powers hydraulics that adjusts a canting keel, and electric sheet winches doesn't sit well with me. For cruising and daysailing? Hey, fine....not so much for racing. I know that any boat with a canting keel bigger than a mini uses powered systems to run it. That's how it's been for 15+ years, now.

    Is more and more automation the "future of sailing"? I'm not qualified to judge. I dunno.

    I do worry a bit about dividing up the SSS races into so many classes that we dilute participation.

    Singlehanded PHRF <100 - spinnaker
    Singlehanded PHRF 101-135 - spinnaker
    Singlehanded PHRF 136- 165 - spinnaker
    Singlehanded PHRF 166+ spinnaker

    Singlehanded PHRF <100 - non-spinnaker
    Singlehanded PHRF 101-135 - non-spinnaker
    Singlehanded PHRF 136-165 - non-spinnaker
    Singlehanded PHRF 166+ non-spinnaker

    Doublehanded PHRF <100 - spinnaker
    Doublehanded PHRF 101-135 - spinnaker
    Doublehanded PHRF 136- 165 - spinnaker
    Doublehanded PHRF 166+ spinnaker

    Doublehanded PHRF <100 - non-spinnaker
    Doublehanded PHRF 101-135 - non-spinnaker
    Doublehanded PHRF 136-165 - non-spinnaker
    Doublehanded PHRF 166+ non-spinnaker

    Sportboat singlehanded
    Sportboat doublehanded

    Multihulls

    Express 27 One Design doublehanded
    J-105 One Design doublehanded .. or SF Bay 30, or whomever..
    Moore 24 One Design doublehanded

    Take 100 boats, divide them into the 22 classes I just listed, which is typical for our races even if I have the PHRF numbers off a bit, and you don't even have 5 boats in a class. Are we going to add the following?

    Singlehanded PHRF <100 - spinnaker Power Assisted
    Singlehanded PHRF 101-135 - spinnaker Power Assisted
    Singlehanded PHRF 136- 165 - spinnaker Power Assisted
    Singlehanded PHRF 166+ spinnaker Power Assisted

    Singlehanded PHRF <100 - non-spinnaker Power Assisted
    Singlehanded PHRF 101-135 - non-spinnaker Power Assisted
    Singlehanded PHRF 136-165 - non-spinnaker Power Assisted
    Singlehanded PHRF 166+ non-spinnaker Power Assisted

    Doublehanded PHRF <100 - spinnaker Power Assisted
    Doublehanded PHRF 101-135 - spinnaker Power Assisted
    Doublehanded PHRF 136- 165 - spinnaker Power Assisted
    Doublehanded PHRF 166+ spinnaker Power Assisted

    Doublehanded PHRF <100 - non-spinnaker Power Assisted
    Doublehanded PHRF 101-135 - non-spinnaker Power Assisted
    Doublehanded PHRF 136-165 - non-spinnaker Power Assisted
    Doublehanded PHRF 166+ non-spinnaker Power Assisted


    I'm not saying that's "the answer" especially since now in some cases the DH boats are sailing different courses from the SH boats, but is that where we are headed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Travieso View Post
    Its not that bad Alan. PHRF bands are arbitrary to control class sizes. I see power assisted just like non-spinnaker... all in one class until the time there is a need to split them because of large numbers. As I said, from what I could see from PHRF data there is only a single boat with electric winches declared.
    Sure...OK, for now, one boat, who is apparently doing OK at their racing, but not dominating their class at this time. Will this take off and in five years, we'll have 20 boats? I have no idea, I'm just asking what folks think.

    I'm just waiting for the first foiling boat to apply for an SSS race!!
    S-2 7.9: "Wildcat of Loch Awe"
    1968 Selmer Series 9 B-flat and A clarinets
    1962Buesher "Aristocrat" tenor saxophone
    Piper One Design 24, Hull #35; "Alpha"

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