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    BUMP.

    I am fitting out for some coastal events like Spinnaker Cup, and eventually for Pac Cup 2010, so I am very interested in the new regs.

    In pursuit of this I am going to get my CPR/FirstAid cert in a couple of weeks, for example, and I will be getting personal strobes, an MOB pole etc. etc. etc.

    The costs add up very quickly. For example, a little stainless clip that is just a small part of the MOB pole attachment hardware is $30 from Defender.

    Is there an update on the situation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pogen View Post

    Is there an update on the situation?
    David, look at Commodore Ergo's post in the TransPac forum. That's the best update I've seen. Sounds like we're a touch behind the goal of posting the requirements by Feb 28, but it shouldn't be much longer.

    I'm as eager as anyone to see the specifics, so that we can put out a final revision of the SSIs.

    In case it isn't clear, I'm pretty sure that the mandatory inspection will apply only to the TransPac and LongPac.

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    Default Revised SSIs available

    I've uploaded the revised 2009 Standing Sailing Instructions, incorporating the new safety equipment requirements, to Regatta Manager. If you're cleverer than I, you may be able to find and view them there.

    They should also be available on our home website shortly.

    The Category 2 references are gone. Compared to last year, there are just a few additions for our ocean races. For example,
    - 25 watt VHF required
    - your alternate form of propulsion must be capable of driving the boat at the square root of the waterline length. A paddle won't cut it.
    - MOB pole and Lifesling required for doublehanders
    - Hatch boards must be tethered.

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    The revised Standing Sailing Instructions are now available at Regatta Manager (on the Corinthian Race page) and on www.sfbaysss.org.

    Please note a few changes in addition to the offshore safety equipment:

    1. The Castro Rock restriction has been changed to a line connecting Castro Rock buoy and two buoys near Richmond Long Wharf: G "3" and R "2". You must stay to the west of this "fence" at all times. Same idea as the Pinole Shoal channel, where we stay south of the line of buoys.

    2. A minor point: you can't wait until seeing the weather on race day to decide whether to race in the non-spinnaker class. Unless you or we made a mistake in your entry, or your crew drops out and you change from doublehanded to singlehanded, you're committed to your class choice as of the entry deadline.

    3. In computing your average on-the-water score to give you points for working RC, we don't throw out your worst score. Your RC credit maintains your average but doesn't improve it.

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    Can we post a banner on the homepage to highlight that there are changes to the SSI, in particular the new restricted area.

    I like what you've done there. Its unambiguous and should result in fair racing.

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    Question Lifesling??

    Quote Originally Posted by Critter View Post
    I've uploaded the revised 2009 Standing Sailing Instructions, incorporating the new safety equipment requirements, ...

    - MOB pole and Lifesling required for doublehanders

    Max

    Just a point here - what if someone has the Jonbuoy module? - which is far better than any pole (ever tried retrieving someone on the end of a pole? - impossible!!) and also way better than the Sling which I understand retrieves someone vertically so they can (as a documented problem) have a heart attack more easily from blood draining downwards (Jonbuoy has person retrieved whilst lying in a horizontal position and so is medically much preferred...) - or is the term 'Lifesling' being used here in a descriptive sense of the type of retrieval system, rather than as a brand name?

    We always hope never to have to use these items... but if & when we do, it had better work!
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    Quote Originally Posted by nereida View Post
    Just a point here - what if someone has the Jonbuoy module? - which is far better than any pole (ever tried retrieving someone on the end of a pole? - impossible!!) and also way better than the Sling which I understand retrieves someone vertically so they can (as a documented problem) have a heart attack more easily from blood draining downwards (Jonbuoy has person retrieved whilst lying in a horizontal position and so is medically much preferred...) - or is the term 'Lifesling' being used here in a descriptive sense of the type of retrieval system, rather than as a brand name?

    We always hope never to have to use these items... but if & when we do, it had better work!
    Hi Jeanne -

    I'd want to know a little more about the jonbuoy, and how it works, to know if it would be suitable as an alternative to a MOB pole and a lifesling.

    The MOB pole provides a spotting device that is raised up above water level (typically 8'), and helps to get the boat back to the person in the water. Obviously the pole is not used to raise the person onto the deck.

    The lifesling is an adaptation of a helicopter rescue sling, and may be used to lift a person back onto the deck. It is especially helpful for doublehanded boats, as one person can, via a halyard & a winch, lift a person from the water.

    Can you provide some details about the Jonbuoy, and how it might aid in the above to purposes? It appears to be an inflatable device; does one have a jonbuoy inspected and serviced periodically?

    This is the photo I ran across in a brief search:
    http://www.oceansafety.com/commercial/MOB-Jonbuoy.html

    - rob/beetle

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    Default Jonbuoy

    Hi, Rob!
    Good to hear from you!
    Yes - you've located the precise website for all the info - if you follow your own link in detail, all is made clear!
    Jonbuoy module has a strobe light which comes on automatically when module deployed - which is a simple matter of a lever being operated by remaining person left on board (in case of double-handers!) on realizing companion has disappeared overboard. Module is mounted on pushpit and incorporates highly visible inflatable 'arms' with a ring on a strongpoint high up for lifting back person and module on board via boom or similar. So it effectively incorporates both the 'locating pole' and the 'recovery sling' - but doesn't put person being recovered at risk of heart attack due to vertical recovery position. All the person in the water has to do is to get to the module, climb in and then lie down on its cushioned, inflated base, which has a drogue to prevent blowing away in wind.
    Of course, all this excellent safety and highly-likely recovery possibility comes at a price - and, yes, like liferafts, it requires regular servicing. But for anyone who values the possibility of achieving a successful, simple, recovery attempt (and their partner surviving it!) - it makes a lot of sense to have one!! And yes, you can re-pack them OK - I've done it!! (with a fresh cylinder). If any more questions,... I'm on-line here in Sweden.... so fire away!!
    Cheers,
    Jeanne "Nereida"

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    Default Jon? Mom?

    Thanks Jeanne for the input. The requirement for a Lifesling came to me from the safety committee with a lower-case L; I capitalized it. It occurred to me that a generic requirement might be more appropriate than a specific brand, but I wanted to post the rules quickly and not get bogged down in writing specifications. Anyway, OYRA has required a Lifesling (specifically) for a few years and it's a familiar piece of gear.

    The Jon Buoy looks like a good alternative, and the MOM (Man Overboard Module?) probably would work also. We could change the wording to "Lifesling or comparable", or list all the acceptable brand names, if anyone wants to research them.

    This being the SSS, I'm sure nobody is going to protest if they see a MOM instead of a Lifesling on somebody's rail, but I'd prefer to write a precise rule.

    Max

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    To clarify (again), these requirements are for SSS's SH Farallones and Half Moon Bay races. The LongPac and SH TransPac will have their own rules.

    From racing OYRA I already have a Lifesling (brand) and MOB pole. I'm not keen on buying another flavor of gear (selfish comment admitted).

    There is a Lifesling II which is a bit smaller and I think its polypro line is a little shorter. Either Lifesling model is a fraction of the cost of a MOM-8. I also have Lifesling's dedicated lifting tackle to be hoisted on a halyard. The halyard alone (single purchase) is much harder to use than most people think.

    Finally, none of these devices (with retrieval lines) technically meets the Coast Guard's requirement for a Type IV "throwable" accessable to the helmsperson, although I'd be surprised if the CG ever pushed the point in an inspection.

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