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    Hi everyone: David posted his slides and notes from the first seminar and I wanted to ask a few questions here. First set of questions is about liferafts prompted by the seminar when David mentioned he did the October live Safety at Sea course at SFYC and explained how hard it was to right a liferaft.

    1. First question to David: do you have a contact or even better a schedule for the live Safety at Sea courses? I'm miffed I missed the October one because they dont happen often in the Bay Area.
    You really have to hunt around to find details. I looked at https://www.sfyc.org/web/pages/training and didn't see anything.
    I looked at https://sas.cruisingclub.org/node/723 and see a calendar entry for:

    The San Francisco Yacht Club
    Saturday, April 15, 2023

    But the links do not appear to work - for me anyway
    I tried contacting SFYC and no response.
    I looked at https://sailaweigh.org/events.php I *think* they run the courses? but I did not see anything…
    I bet others like me want to do some live practice with liferafts and immersion suits and what-not, so if you have a contact that would be great?

    2. Follow-on newbie question. I have a 4-person Viking Rescyou that just went in for certification at Sal's Inflatables. Its a valise and I really am not convinced I can get that thing out through the companionway in under 15 seconds. I gather that the real issue is fire over flooding. Anyway questions are:

    A. Valise vs Canister?
    B. Rescyou vs. Rescuyou Pro vs. others?
    C. Where to mount the canister? In the cockpit? and facing inward from the rails or outward?

    Sal was really great and his guys showed me several models and let me peek and poke around the inflated liferafts and their emergency kits in the warehouse. I learned a lot. I was thinking of volunteering my liferaft for live practice but Sal said thats not a good idea. They use compressors to control inflation - did not know that.

    3. Also not sure this is appropriate to post here, but if I swap from valise to canister I will have an extra liferaft to sell and if anyone needs one for SHTP LMK.
    Last edited by GBR3068; 12-03-2022 at 09:54 AM.

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    Go to US Sailing and search their subpage for Safety at Sea Courses...

    https://www.ussailing.org/education/...-courses-2022/

    These can be in person only or a combination of online and then the day of practical (in person) training (including life rafts).

    I highly recommend these courses and understand why it is a requirement for the SHTP.

    Good luck,
    Michael Polkabla
    Solstice Cal40 #4

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    Hi Michael: I had already tried that US Sailing page, looked for Bay Area courses and that didn't work; you get the same link to SFYC that is currently a dead end, leading to the class already held this past October.

    I did find a clue at this page:
    https://www.ussailing.org/education/...urse-near-you/

    and that was to the organizer for the next SFYC course that I believe is Ashley Perrin and not Sail Aweigh.

    Searching on Ashley, I found http://racingyachtmanagement.com and I believe they handle the SFYC courses.

    I sent Ashley an email and I did just get a response this morning: "We have to set up registration still check back in a month."

    So, that's the answer to my first question: The registration will likely be at https://www.sfyc.org/web/pages/training when ready.

    With details likely to be:
    The San Francisco Yacht Club
    Saturday, April 15, 2023

    Mike

    PS: Was it you who is getting a net from Synthia for a Cal 40?
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    Hi Mike -
    I cant recommend enough the in person training - yes, SFYC & Ashley will be doing a session in early spring.
    As Michael mentions, there are more than one way of going about this... the hands on training can be part of a 2 day seminar that covers all of the 15units of instruction from the online cours;
    OR US Sailing has several offerings where the online course work happens first, and the hands-on component is a one-day supplemental (usually as part of a 2 day class).

    Although SFYC and Ashley are good local options, Looking through the US Sailing offerings, I do note one for Long Beach and San Diego YC's in February that may be convenient for those in the southland, as well as several others through the spring (it is a transpac year)
    DH

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    Quote Originally Posted by GBR3068 View Post
    Its a valise and I really am not convinced I can get that thing out through the companionway in under 15 seconds.
    Also consider how launching the raft from inside the boat if you were injured - could you still get the life raft up onto the deck? (e.g., with one arm not working).

    The life raft should be mounted (ideally) near the center of the boat so it (minimally) increases pitching moment, out of the way, and protected. I went with a canister raft placed ahead of the dodger, a bit aft of the boom vang - I don't walk there so it's not in the way. The raft is not protected there, so it's held in place with padeyes, dacron line, and snapshackles (quick release). I made a Sunbrella cover for the canister - this reduces heat inside the canister and significantly increases life-span of the raft.

    I would not mount a raft in the cockpit floor (water can flood the cockpit), plus you might want to walk/stand where the raft is. I do not like pushpit/lifeline mounted rafts as stainless bends easily - you do not want the raft washing away or taking out your lifelines if you take a wave through the cockpit.

    As regards the Viking Rescyou Pro, I like the double-arch that supports the canopy. You would prefer the raft to be self-righting, they are not at all easy to right once the ballast bags fill. The double arch helps with righting and provides headroom inside the raft. I have a Zodiac 6 person double arch/tube raft similar in design to the Rescyou Pro. When Sal would recertify the raft I would always go over and sit inside for a few minutes and think about how it would feel offshore, plus sat in some other rafts. I decided I liked the headroom/volume of the double arch.

    - rob/beetle

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    I've always rented liferafts from Sal when they're required -- three or four times, I guess. At least the first time, he told me he did not want me to stow it on deck. Presumably this is for the sake of protection from the sun, as Rob alluded to. So I've always kept it at the foot of the companionway steps. I think I could get it to the lifelines in 30 seconds!

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    So thanks for the advice guys!! I talked at length to Sal too. Based on all the great advice this is what I did:

    I went with the RescYou Pro, canister, and mount. So upgraded from the model I had before. Sal said he wouldn't even put his ex-wife in anything else. For those who like me are noobs, I cannot recommend Sal and his crew enough. I did not know what this liferaft shop was that everyone was talking about. They don't have a great website and its hard to find anythng out about them. Just go there! Its a big warehouse in Alameda that is full of commercial liferafts being inspected and tested. This had got to be one of the largest liferaft operations around. Sal's team spent a lot of time showing me liferafts and the differences and what was in them. If you read Tapio's latest report on his sinking in the GGR one of the things he wished he had done was see what was in his liferaft before he used it for real. I now know and have seen what is in my new one.

    I dont have a lot of mounting options. I think I am going to have to mount it on the pushpit and Chris at Svendsen's is going to help figure that out. Sal didn't want it facing out: too easy to lose and almost impossible to mount or get at offshore. What Sal and Chris both said, and by the way they know each other well, is you have to try and find a way to support the bottom of the canister. I dont know how yet, but will report back.

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    >> So, that's the answer to my first question: The registration will likely be at https://www.sfyc.org/web/pages/training when ready.

    Registration is open.
    https://www.regattanetwork.com/clubm...gatta_id=25657 April 15-16
    and
    https://www.regattanetwork.com/clubm...gatta_id=25661 April 22-23

    PS I just noticed that April 15-16 is the same weekend as the planned SHTP emergency rudder weekend.
    Last edited by GBR3068; 01-13-2023 at 11:52 AM.

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