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    Default Fleet check-in idea

    I read through the TransPac 2009 (full crew transpac out of Los Angeles), and rather like what they are doing with daily checkins within the fleet:

    http://www.transpacrace.com/docs/200...PYC2009_SI.pdf

    8AM SSB check-in across the fleet with dedicated communications yacht Alaska Eagle (ex-Flyer) to provide your 6AM position, and the interesting wrinkle is that Alaska Eagle will also accept positions received via email from the racers (e.g., email sent from the racer to the comm boat).

    This might help our racing comm boat out as well, as it provides an additional path to the comm boat (redundancy) that does not appear to increase unduly the work of the comm boat.

    A downside is that the positions are 2 hours old (not 30 minutes old), and the time required by the comm boat to establish an email connection via SSB & sailmail/winlink. I do not know if Iridium email is quicker to establish than SSB (I have not used Iridium email).

    The LA TransPac is requiring SSB radios and you need to be in on the roll call in case local weather conditions are requested by the comm boat. This also means that there is a feedback loop for emailed positions: if Alaska Eagle reads out your emailed position over the radio then you know the email was received; if Alaska Eagle asks for your position then you know the email did not get through in time.

    We've tried having racers telephone the comm boat via sat phone directly (that did not work too well), and route positions through the RC and back to the comm boat (that was a lot of extra hassle and headache). It strikes me that emailing data directly to the comm boat has good upside potential with minimal additional effort on the part of RC and the comm boat.

    We would require SSB for check-in, and in addition allow competitors to email the position data in advance. This does require that the comm boat have email capability and if the email fails to get through it's no big deal. It also allows a competitor that has an iridium/email gateway setup on board to continue checking in even if the SSB radio goes down (that's the redundancy part).

    What do people think? I think it's an interesting idea.

    - rob/beetle

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    I think this is OK if you have a dedicated comm boat, or even a crewed one. But I think that gathering all the emails could be pretty time consuming for a singlehander. That's why during the last SSS TransPac we permitted emails to the race committee, and left it up to the RC to consolidate all the emails and put them together for the comm boat.

    I could see how if you had a dedicated comm boat, getting the positions ahead of time before checkin could save time, since all you would have to do in that case is read out the positions.

    - Mark

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    I am in the no SSB required camp, but if a check in is required and will incur a penalty there MUST be an alternate back up means of check in. In 04, my SSB worked great until it took a bath the first day out and never transmitted thereafter. I would have been mighty unhappy if I couldn't check in with the Sat Phone as back-up. I have had really bad luck with SSB, and I don't feel they are super reliable on little ultralight boats that are REALLY WET. As an aside, they really strain the electron budget for boats running solar only, and I would have had a hard time near the end of the race if it had been working. I realize this is part of the eternal battle and it feels much like the arguments over abortion, immigration and taxes that play out in our government. There is no middle ground: One side believes you must have an SSB or the world will come to an end and the other side believes that the SSB is the portent to the end of the world. Personally, I understand that it can make the race more fun for some people so they can chat at cocktail hour. I also see that it can be a boon to safety, although I believe we overregulate that aspect of our sport. IMHO, it should be a choice, not a requirement. If its required then provide redundency so it is not as burdensome. I would be happy to rent a tracking unit for $1000 rather than spend $2500 on the SSB, tuner, copper, installation etc only to have it fail on me again. (I really hate those damn things) George

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    As written elsewhere, it appears check-ins via SSB will be required (Update: Strongly encouraged but not required) for the 2010 SHTP. However if a boat has a SSB installed and has been making check-ins with it, and then it craps out, I see no reason why another form of check-in couldn't be allowed solely as a backup.

    Without a dedicated (non-racing) communication boat to handle e-mails, sat-phone calls, carrier-pigeon drops and all manner of other communication from the fleet, there needs to be a standard (IMO). Any alternative to that standard should be allowed in very limited circumstances.

    From the skipper's perspective, each of us makes a huge commitment of time, money, and in some cases family harmony, etc. to do the SHTP. It is also a race and most of us are pretty competitive. To put our entire effort at risk (via time penalties) because one piece of gear breaks down is asking a lot - perhaps too much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BobJ View Post
    To put our entire effort at risk (via time penalties) because one piece of gear breaks down is asking a lot - perhaps too much.
    I agree, though perhaps during the boat inspection the skipper should be required to demonstrate the use of the SSB - too many skippers obviously have not adequately tested or used the SSB prior to the race and then we find out that it doesn't work or that they don't know how to switch channels!

    As for the backup method of checkin, I'm still in favor of the method used in the last SHTP, whereby a skipper could check in by having an email sent (by any means possible) to the RC.

    - Mark

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    Yes, that's why they need to have been making check-ins with their SSB before it craps out.

    Since it is hopefully only one boat having to use a backup means, it would be better for the comm boat to have their positions (vs. the RC) so they can be passed on to the fleet at every check-in. Nobody should be allowed to drop into stealth mode because "oops, my SSB won't work . . ."

    As I recall we often didn't get the sat-phone boats' positions during the '08 race.

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    Alchera
    "I agree, though perhaps during the boat inspection the skipper should be required to demonstrate the use of the SSB - too many skippers obviously have not adequately tested or used the SSB prior to the race and then we find out that it doesn't work or that they don't know how to switch channels!"


    Prior to last year's SHTP, someone set up SSB practice sessions that were very helpful...especially for a first-timer.
    Last edited by Sparky; 08-06-2009 at 11:04 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alchera View Post
    ...perhaps during the boat inspection the skipper should be required to demonstrate the use of the SSB...
    Yep, that's typically part of the equipment inspection:

    1. do you have an SSB?
    2. can you bring up WWV?

    If the skipper can do that then it is demonstrated that the radio works and the skipper has at least a limited knowledge of how the radio is operated.

    - rob/beetle

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    Default SSB check ins - alternate approach

    Hello All,

    Suppose an outside station, on a shore line somewhere or several shorelines could communicate well with the racers via SSB. Would a check in with a network of shore stations be appealing/acceptable to SHTP racers ?

    Brian

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    It's appealing since it may not burden one of the racers with Comm Boat duties.

    However, my recollection is that attempts to get a consistent signal to a shore station on either end of the course via SSB have not been successful. Yet in the two races I've done, nearly every boat made every SSB check-in with a Comm Boat out on the course. It seems there are too many sources of interference for a shore station, plus the quality of SSB signals varies so much within the fleet, especially as the boats get spread out.

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