View Poll Results: Should a SH boat be allowed to enter in the DH division?

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Thread: Should a SH boat be allowed to enter in the DH division?

  1. #1
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    Default Should a SH boat be allowed to enter in the DH division?

    Logically it would be a disadvantage to sail SH alongside a fleet of DH. But there is an obvious reason why someone would want to do it. In addition to the individual races, the society scores season standings. If for some reason, you find yourself without crew for a race, but still want to race in the DH division for season points, should you be allowed to do so?

    We do already allow it for the Vallejo-2 race, should it be restricted in the races with both SH and DH divisions?
    Last edited by Travieso; 09-26-2010 at 07:45 PM.

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    I think Vallejo 1 only counts towards the SH season standings and Vallejo 2 only towards the DH season standings. In other words, a single-hander racing the Vallejo 2 doesn't affect any season standings.

    In your poll I voted yes, because anything that encourages single-handing in SSS is good.

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    I vote yes also. I've done the double handed Farallones single handed and as far as I know it was ok.
    For years I have raced the SYC crewed races single handed.

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    i vote yes. me thinks this poll might be pretty one-sided...

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    I voted yes because there was no in-between option. But it's a qualified yes. My opinion, after some thought:

    1. A doublehander chasing season points shouldn't be penalized because his crew had to cancel at the last minute, so I'd favor letting him stay in the DH division for one or two races per season.

    2. A singlehander should not be allowed to give himself the challenge of racing solo in the DH division for a whole season. Such a move would reduce numbers in the SH division, which is already small in most races, and it's a bit of an insult to DH racers. As far as I know, nobody has actually done this, so it may be a moot point.

    As I read it, SSI 9a requires that two people be on board in the DH division, but the rule is waived for the Vallejo 2. I propose that DH entries be allowed to sail solo in any two races in a season, including Vallejo, but not in the LongPac.

    Max

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    It's hard to imagine when singlehanding could be an advantage but Max's suggestion of 2 races excluding longpac seems spot on to me.
    Stephen

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    Max's idea is ok with me.

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    I think there needs to be more incentive and reward for singlehanded entries in the SH division.

    Maybe more races that are soley SH. The wealth of knowledge gained from the SH division is what we are all about. I understand the skipper is still sailing SH in the DH division, but I'd rather see them in the SH division.

    AJ

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    Default Single/Double Question

    I didn't vote because I don't think either a "Yes" or "No" would represent my viewpoint. If an overall score is what's desired, I go with Max. But, I guess I represent a different angle than some SSSers. I don't sail SSS races to win an "overall" championship; I'd even opt out of that competition if I could. I sail SSS races for fun. Sometimes it's fun to sail alone; sometimes it's fun to sail with someone along as a co-skipper (which is what I think doublehanding is). I'd like the option to decide, without having to count. Of course the Vallejo 1 and Farallones Races are special, as they have always been.
    Pat Broderick "NANCY"

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    I was going to stay out of this but.......... The question was resolved eqitably, this time, under the existing rules so what happened this year is moot but, I'm a big NO as for as changing the rule for next year.

    I think it's a very bad idea to change a rule as simple as 1 = 1 and 2 = 2 to accommodate a competitor's ambition to win. The rules aren't there to make racing difficult. The rules are there to make it possible to safely race very different boats against each other.

    Thankfully, I won't be on the board next year and I certainly won't be in contention for top honors in any year so I'm not going to get my knickers in a twist.

    Last year, we had an entrant who wanted to race singlehanded with his child and his child's nanny on the boat. He thought he had a reasonable case for 1 = 3. So sure, 1 = 2. Why not?

    Bill Merrick

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